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Post by Ramana Jala on Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:31 pm

I've got several areas I've been working on in the Aenean Player Building Module. When I go to test or play the module, most of these areas will load normally, either when I put the Start point in them or when I move through transitions from one to another area.

Except for one particular area, that always makes it to about 80% on the load meter then crashes the program. Either when I put the Start Point in this one or enter this area from a working area.

I've kept the number of placeables down. I've removed all inaccessible placeables, and removed any unusual placeables like floor coverings that extended beyond the area, and a hung ceiling. Then 'Verified' the area, and 'Built' the area before testing or playing, both with no errors found. I've tried running the module in Test Mode and starting the module as a server. Also, I've use a low-level PC to enter the module, one without all sorts of large or unusual inventory. Also tried it with the DM Client. No go.

I just don't know any more ways to troubleshoot why this area won't load. It would, of course, be extremely inconvenient to have to recreate this area by making a new area. I would so appreciate anyone who could tell me what more I can do to figure this out.
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Post by Kefrem on Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:16 pm

One of two things has happened....either this...

1.you have a corrupted model on one of your items. This will always do what your talking about.

2.one item..be it either a placeable or a character item on your character you recently got/picked up/are holding has no model appearance. It will always do that as well.

From the way your describing it...it sounds like the toolset corrupted it on save...which means there is no way to recover it. You only other option if its there is to load the backup file and resave it. That might have some items missing though as backups are saved infrequently.

ive had this issue myself in a random basis. The toolset saves it in a just slightly different way that it can understand...but the actual game can not load. I think even bioware mentioned there was nothing they could do about it at one point.
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Post by daveyeisley on Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:18 pm

I found the problem. Will work with Ramana to resolve.
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Post by Kefrem on Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:00 am

what was it?
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Post by Eric of Atrophy on Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:12 am

Indeed, discuss!
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Post by Ramana Jala on Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am

It was the Mythallars.

I'd used several mythallars to create a 'warded' space in the problem area.

Brilliant Dave found it right away when he examined the area. He said that he seemed to recall The Amethyst Dragon mentioning before that Aenean Mythallars were prone to mess up things unless used in some precise way.

Immense thanks to Dave for solving this! So glad to be relieved of my frustrations and fear that I might have to rebuild the area.

cheers
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Post by Kefrem on Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:38 am

yea i had a hunch it might be something like that...the models on those mythallars can be wonky. Even on the nwn ones if you use them certain ways thier graphics just vanish.
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Post by Ramana Jala on Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:38 am

Thanks, Kefrem, for your tips up above, I'll keep them in mind should have some issue like this in future.
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Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:43 pm

Any of the mythallar crystal placeables, whether from the two from BioWare or or the 112 from me (since I just modified the BioWare ones for my own creations), can cause an area to crash in-game if they are not used properly.

The fix? Make sure that little "static" checkbox in their properties is NOT marked. Yup, it's that simple.

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Post by Ramana Jala on Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:33 pm


Thank you, The Amethyst Dragon!

Dave directed me to look up your NWN Vault page for the Mythallars, and so just a couple hours ago I discovered that you had noted that tip there.

Just about to put them back in and try it out.


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Post by Ramana Jala on Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:09 am

Just a note that configuring the mythallars totally fixed this.
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