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Post by Ramana Jala on Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:00 pm


I've been working on some areas in my Player Module, and I keep finding non-existent appearances that I hadn't encountered months ago.

Not just in the Appearance Type choices available when editing a placeable, but in items I had placed and were apparently now no longer visible in my areas (and so I had to delete those placeables).

I'm assuming that this has something to do with Project Q and maybe even some other content changes that The Amethyst Dragon has made?

Is this something that I could fix in my player module, maybe by including more haks?

Or can this only be fixed by a new Player Module?

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Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:35 pm

Wow.  Looks like I completely missed this thread when it was new.  Sorry, Ramana Jala.

Can you tell me some of the placeable appearances that had gone missing?  I might have messed up something back in the Q merge.

This might also be caused by me moving models to different hak files and you not having the updated versions of said haks.  This could happen if I moved something out of the updates hak into another one...then downloading the new updates hak would actually remove those models from your installation until the hak they were moved into got downloaded.

So, if you can give me a couple of examples of what placeable appearances went missing, I can see if they just ended up in another hak file.

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Post by Ramana Jala on Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:38 am

I'll get back to you in a few weeks about this, as I'm away from home and I can't immediately bring to mind which placeables I had to delete because they lost appearances.  Thanks!
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Post by Ramana Jala on Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:28 pm


Found a sequence of previously available appearances that are now missing:

Altar: Jewel
Altar: Zolares
etc.
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Post by Ramana Jala on Wed Dec 25, 2013 1:19 am

I discovered another that I'd used in my playerhouse that now lacks a model:  mtp_gem1Tiltb .
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Post by Ramana Jala on Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:34 pm

I finally found the one of the ones I was looking for.  The extra large padded bench with the green elven pattern on it, it's gone.  It was one of these, all of which are now lacking models:

mtp_BenchLargeb
mtp_BenchLargec
mtp_BenchLarged
mtp_BenchLargee
mtp_BenchLargef
mtp_BenchLargeg
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Post by Ramana Jala on Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:30 am


Going through my placeables one by one, found some more invisible ones that I had to delete:

mtp_RugOriental2b
mtp_ottomanc

Looks like probably all the entries in the entire long "mtp" section in the appearances list is now without models.
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Post by Ramana Jala on Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:08 am


A somewhat unrelated appearances question:

That lovely NWN2 stocked Alchemy Bench appearance (I think it's the one in the tower basement that makes rings)-- is that available in the toolset somewhere right now?

Or shall I have to wait for a toolset update?

BTW, can I do a toolset update myself by entering the recent haks into the hak list?  If so, what should be the order of the new haks?

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Post by MannyJabrielle on Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:31 am

The NWN2 workbenches are in there already.

I believe they're towards the bottom of the appearance list for placeables.
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Post by Ramana Jala on Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:24 am


Thanks, Manny, I did find many lovely alchemy benches under Workbenches!

But I am still curious if I can update my Player Build Module by adding haks?  I'm wondering if I add the recent new haks, whether I can get some of those missing appearances available again.

To recap, so far in the Appearances list I've discovered missing models (where there previously were models) for everything that starts with 'mtp', and the Aenean deity altars.
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Post by MannyJabrielle on Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:52 pm

Yes, you can.  You just have to add them in the right order.

I cannot recall the order offhand, so the best thing to do would be to rename your current build module, and then download a fresh copy of the build module. I am fairly certain it's up to date, but don't hold me to that....

OPen the new copy, note the haks attached, and the order they are in.  Then go into your module with all your items/areas in it, and add the missing haks, moving them into the right place in the ordering Smile

Likewise, you could just export all your stuff into an erf, download a new build module copy, and then import your erf into the new copy. That is probably the quicker and easier method.
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Post by Ramana Jala on Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:19 pm


An updated PBM would certainly fix my issues, but it hasn't been updated since 5/17/2013, a long time before Project Q and a thousand other changes.

Lacking that, it seems only The Amethyst Dragon can tell us the hak list, and its order, to update what we have now.  Just a screenshot of his hak list in his own Aenea module might be sufficient.  Might be faster than him tailoring a new module.

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Post by MannyJabrielle on Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:46 pm

http://aenea.aforumfree.com/t26-latest-file-update-january-8-2014#38295

The Amethyst Dragon noted at the end he updated the player buildmodule for the project Q additions... and my own build module downloaded after that has the q haks already in.

As to why the download page is now showing may '13 as the last update.... I dunno.

Perhaps the file downloaded through the "site" (redirect to the ign vault) and the "download" (a direct downlaod from the ign vault) are two different files?  The direct download isn't working for me right now.... so yeah, The Amethyst Dragon will have to answer that himself.

As for the hak order what I see in my build modle is...

Aeneahak_updates
cep2_custom
aeneahak_x
aeneahak_p
aeneahak_q
aeneahak_r
aeneahak_s
aeneahak_t
aeneahak_u
aeneahak_v
aeneahak_w
aeneahak_y
aeneahak_z
cep2_tp_v24
cep2_add_phenos5
cep2_add_phenos4
cep2_add_phenos3
cep2_add_phenos2
cep2_add_phenos1
cep2_add_tiles2
cep2_add_tiles1
cep2_add_doors
cep2_add_skies
cep2_add_loads
cep2_core7
cep2_core6
cep2_core5
cep2_core4
cep2_core3
cep2_core2
cep2_core1
cep2_core0
cep2_crp
q_!tilesets
q_2da
q_creatures
q_items
q_placeables
q_portraits
q_race
q_robes
q_sounds
q_tilesets
q_vfxgui

* the aeneahaks are out of order... whether intentionally or not, I do not know, but that's how they were ordered in the copy I downloaded back in early january after the Q update.

Likewise, make note that there's two q tileset haks, tilesets, and !tilesets.  The later goes above the former Smile
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Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:59 pm

I wonder if I removed the "mtp" ones from my hak since they are in Project Q...

The Aenea altars should all be there.  They show up just fine for me.  I may have moved them to another hak in the past (so that they still show up in the toolset)...Are your haks older than the dates listed on the downloads page?

I'll check the player build module, but the proper hak order should be (when looking at Edit > Module Properties > Custom Content):
aeneahak_updates
cep2_custom
aeneahak_v
aeneahak_x
aeneahak_p
aeneahak_q
aeneahak_r
aeneahak_s
aeneahak_t
aeneahak_u
aeneahak_w
aeneahak_y
aeneahak_z
cep2_top_v24
cep2_add_phenos5
cep2_add_phenos4
cep2_add_phenos3
cep2_add_phenos2
cep2_add_phenos1
cep2_add_tiles2
cep2_add_tiles1
cep2_add_doors
cep2_core7
cep2_core6
cep2_core5
cep2_core4
cep2_core3
cep2_core2
cep2_core1
cep2_core0
cep2_crp
q_!tilesets
q_creatures
q_items
q_placeables
q_race
q_robe
q_sounds
q_tilesets

Yup, looks like I forgot to update the build module a while back (when I moved stuff out of the updates hak into the v hak and changed the order a bit).

and yes, the Aenea haks are not in exact alphabetical order.  X got moved up when I used it to hold all of the Reforged weapons (so that it would replace some of my much earlier attempts at adding weapon models), and V got moved up when I dumped all of the non-2da contents from the updates hak into it (since it was mostly empty before).

If I had the mtp and other placeable models in the updates hak and moved them to V, and V isn't on your hak list for the build module, then that would account for the missing models.

I'll update the build module soon.


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Post by Ramana Jala on Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:40 pm


There's a later issue of the PBM?  I saw that about the Jan 2014 post, but since the file was still dated old, thought it must be a mistake.

But thank you so much for going to the trouble to give me the list!  This should let me fix my module.

I see right away that my 5/17/2013 module has the cep2_custom higher than the aeneahak_updates -- I'll check through the rest in a bit.

I'm going to assume that if I put the haks in the order you've given and add those missing, then the module will be updated.

I'll let you know how it goes!
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Post by MannyJabrielle on Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:07 pm

The CEP2_Custom hak's position doesn't really matter, but it should be near the very top.

It should be either empty (with maybe a misc non vital cep 2da file in it), in which case it's position doesn't matter as.... there's nothing IN the hak anyway.

OR if you use the "dragon fix", in which case the only contents should be the possible cep 2da file, and the mdl's for the various dragons included in the fix, and you would want them towards the top so the files take priority over the hardpoint models from which ever hak they are stuffed into currently.
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Post by Ramana Jala on Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:18 pm


Ah, I see, I do remember now that's an empty file.


Well, I made my hak list look like The Amethyst Dragon's above, including removing:

cep2_add_tiles2
cep2_add_tiles1
cep2_add_doors
cep2_add_skies
cep2_add_loads

It went well!  Very Happy  All models in the mtp section and the Aenean altars are now showing up again, so my original issue is fixed!  cheers 


I inspected my player house, and found only one irregularity.  The oval green Elven couch - Couch:Elven(FKY)* - has lost its texture.
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Post by Ramana Jala on Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:37 am


The oval green Elven couch - Couch:Elven(FKY)* - has lost its texture.

Say, The Amethyst Dragon, could you sometime look into retrieving this texture?  I really like this couch and atm have it in four places in my manor.

Wonder if it has anything to do with the removed CEP files (as above, those in Manny's but not your module)? I might put them back in at the end of the hak list underneath the q's and see.

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Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:21 pm

Ramana Jala wrote:
The oval green Elven couch - Couch:Elven(FKY)* - has lost its texture.

Say, The Amethyst Dragon, could you sometime look into retrieving this texture?  I really like this couch and atm have it in four places in my manor.

Wonder if it has anything to do with the removed CEP files (as above, those in Manny's but not your module)?  I might put them back in at the end of the hak list underneath the q's and see.


I found the texture for that couch.  It was in cep2_add_tiles2.hak.  Someone on the old CEP team must have made a mistake and put the texture into the wrong hak...that should be an optional hak, so it shouldn't have texture files required by placeables.

I'm copying it into my updates hak for so the couch will be fixed next time I upload.

I'll make a note of the issue for fixing in CEP 2.60.

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Post by Ramana Jala on Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:29 pm


Thanks so much, The Amethyst Dragon!
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Post by Ramana Jala on Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:29 pm


I'd been using your official hak list you gave above, The Amethyst Dragon, until I started getting a List Out Of Bounds error that started crashing the toolset upon trying to open certain areas.  I figured this was probably due to some item trying to access an appearance that was no longer in the haks.  So I decided to put back some haks, at the end of the list, and it seems to have fixed the crash issue.

These are the haks I added back in at the bottom:

cep2_add_tiles2
cep2_add_tiles1
cep2_add_doors
cep2_add_skies
cep2_add_loads

q_da2
q_portraits
q_vfxgui

The last three, the Q's, I couldn't recall if I had these before, is why I added them too.  Probably unnecessary.

So this makes me think that somewhere I've used something from these haks that isn't supported by The Amethyst Dragon's current hak list, eh?

How would I go about hunting this down, (other than by trying each of the haks out of the module one at a time to see if it crashes)?
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Post by Eric of Atrophy on Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:31 pm

Probably by trying each of the haks out of the module one at a time to see if it crashes, that'd be my guess...
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Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:19 pm

Ah, I've made a mistake on my list above.  Checking the Aenea module itself, there are 3 cep2_add* haks in the list still:
tiles1
tiles2
doors

Sorry about that.  I'll have to check the player build module to make sure those three are still in that module's list.

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Post by Ramana Jala on Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:58 am


I've conformed my PBM to your revised hak list (and taken out the extra haks), and it seems to be working fine.

Thanks!  Very Happy
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Post by MannyJabrielle on Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:45 pm

That would probably explain why I can barely get my own PBM to load up, and when it does, takes forever and day Surprised
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Post by odbo255 on Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:25 am

Rather than having to duplicate Ramana's hard work, can we get an updated PBM on the downloads page?
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Post by Ramana Jala on Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:27 am

Just modifying your hak list would take less time than exporting your work to a new module.

I'm not even sure I'd even use a new module, myself, beyond checking that I have the same order of haks. Because if the module has the right haks and the same starting area, then it's the same module, right?
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Post by MannyJabrielle on Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:12 pm

An updated PBM on the download page would still be a good idea for new players, or those of us who need to redownload it for whatever reason.

I am of the redownload crowd because I can't even get my current one to open anymore, so editing hak order is rather moot.
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Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:52 am

It should be available tomorrow sometime as a fresh download.

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Post by Ramana Jala on Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:09 pm


So this one marked as updated Feb 11, 2014 must be the new one.

Thanks, The Amethyst Dragon!
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Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:19 pm

I uploaded a fixed one, then checked it today, and then uploaded the version I actually fixed (but forgot to compress for uploading).

So, the Player Build Module should now have a correct hak list.

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Post by odbo255 on Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:36 pm

Looks good, thanks The Amethyst Dragon!
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Post by daveyeisley on Sat May 24, 2014 3:00 pm

Thank you all for working this out.
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