Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

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Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:06 pm

As of now, certain weapons are a bit more useful for players thanks to a server-side addition.

Light Pick, Heavy Pick, and Maul:

These weapons now use the warhammer weapon feats.

If you have Weapon Focus (warhammer) or Weapon Specialization (warhammer), or any other warhammer-specific feats, those feats now also apply to these weapons.  Not sure if Weapon of Choice (for weapon masters) functions with this, but it should, since everything else seems to.

Heavy Mace:

Now makes use of the (light) mace feats.

Double Scimitar:

Now makes use of the two-bladed sword feats.

Cestus:

Now makes use of the unarmed strike feats.  Also, Weapon Finesse now applies when using a cestus.


Edited to add:

D'oh!  Seems I forgot there are a couple falchions floating around in Aenea, so tomorrow I'll get those to work with the greatsword feats.



Not really a lot of these weapons around the gameworld, so I don't feel like breaking them out into a bunch of new feats.

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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by Elhanan on Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:15 pm

Looking good for variety; Thanks!
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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by Eric of Atrophy on Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:35 am

Sweet beanies! Mayhaps when I get back in-game, there will be a new double-scimitar-wielding lass running around Nektaria ...
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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by Eric of Atrophy on Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:36 am

Oh yeah, the cestus ... does that mean that now it plays well with the monk class?
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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by RustyDios on Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:23 am

Awesome.. so does this apply to all those CEP style weapons?.... Does the in-game basic description/info show that the weapons use those feats ?
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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Sun Oct 06, 2013 10:35 am

This applies only to the weapons listed.  I haven't added any of the other CEP weapon types to shops or loot drops in Aenea (that I am aware of).

I have not changed the descriptions for those weapons and feats to show they work together.  I'll be adding it to the feats items > weapons section of the website soon, but won't be going through and editing every item description for such items (and trying to locate them in every shop/loot drop) and making all new .tlk entries for every feat used.

The cestus uses the unarmed strike feats (such as Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization), but it is not a "monk weapon" that uses their true unarmed attack routine (with the extra attacks).

Also, I have not reforged any of the CEP weapon types, nor do I intend to, so they will always look a bit blocky compared to other weapons.  The maul and heavy mace look quite nice already though.

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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by Angel of Death on Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:13 am

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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by odbo255 on Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:54 pm

The Amethyst Dragon wrote:As of now, certain weapons are a bit more useful for players thanks to a server-side addition.

D'oh!  Seems I forgot there are a couple falchions floating around in Aenea, so tomorrow I'll get those to work with the greatsword feats.

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy - does this mean that Remi's falchion can now get a weapon focus feat (via greatsword?) as discussed in this thread?
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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by odbo255 on Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:53 pm

Did the falchion boost via greatsword feat make it in? I don't want to burn up Remi's relevel scales if it's not yet in there...
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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by MannyJabrielle on Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:23 pm

Should be.  I know that the cestus weapons benefit from unarmed strike feats, so I can't imagine any reason why falchions wouldn't be in as well.
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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by odbo255 on Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:56 pm

Doesn't look like the falchion via greatsword feats is in...

Here are some screenies:

Falchion w/out greatsword focus & specialization




Falchion w/greatsword focus & specialization




By comparison, longsword with focus but w/out specialization



Longsword with focus & specialization


As we can see from the first set of screenshots the feats made no difference for the falchion. But the second set show the affect on the longsword with the additional damage from specialization.

I don't think the falchion boost is working right now. The Amethyst Dragon is this something that is still coming?
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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by MannyJabrielle on Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:37 pm

What do you get in the actual combat logs though?

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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by odbo255 on Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:48 pm

MannyJabrielle wrote:What do you get in the actual combat logs though?

Don't forget the one great mantra of NWN... the character sheet lies Razz

Hmmmm, ok I'll bite. What would I be looking for in the combat log to determine whether the feat was having an affect or not?
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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by MannyJabrielle on Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:24 am

The attack roll.  Find something, take a bunch of swings.  One number will be the d20, the other will be your attack bonuses.  The attack bonuses will be 5 points apart, starting from the highest down to the lowest, then any extra attacks you have (such as from haste) which will be at your highest attack bonus.
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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by odbo255 on Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:44 am

Ok, I'll report back with the results. Thanks MJ!

EDIT: The combat log shows +10/+5 for the AB regardless of whether greatsword focus feat is present or not. I think this is either not in, or nerfed.

EDIT2: I just noticed something really odd in reviewing some gameplay footage. The AB remained +10/+5, but immediately after applying a fire crystal it correctly showed +11/+6 instead! However I didn't notice it at the time and didn't enter combat. When I logged back in the crystal was still applied but the AB was back at +10/+5. This seems to support the idea that it is nerfed rather than not in. I'll do a repro and see if I can get a better understanding of how it is behaving in regards to when a crystal is applied and logout/login.
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Re: Oct. 5, 2013: Special Weapons Update

Post by daveyeisley on Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:18 pm

*Bump*

As far as I kow, the Falchion functionality is not yet tied to the Greatsword feats as mentioned in OP:

"Edited to add:

D'oh!  Seems I forgot there are a couple falchions floating around in Aenea, so tomorrow I'll get those to work with the greatsword feats."
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