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Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by lordshigan on Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:45 am

I have a question about the way summons work for Pale Master. And before everyone starts posting links to the Pale Master changes for this site I have already read it. I am a level 8 Pale Master, and level 8 wizard now and my most powerful Summon Undead summon is still a 13 hp Goul. Every level I put into PM doesn't change how weak my summon undead is. My question is is PM summon system broken?
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by daveyeisley on Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:54 pm

Just tested, and it sure looks like it is broken. Level 8 PM gets a piddly little ghoul. As far as I am aware the chart of what gets summon at each PM level has not been altered - level 8 PM should be getting a Wight.

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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by MannyJabrielle on Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:47 pm

Loggedin my palemaster (10wiz30pm).  His summon undead ability gives him a wraith, so it looks like the level progression for the undeads HAS been changed.

The level progression should be put back, or at least changed to something not quite as massively lame.

Even the wraith (9th level, top evolution for the summon undead creature) is incredibly pathetic.  Auger's animate dead ability (lower level PM ability) gives a far better summon (relatively speaking).  The wraith has something like 32 HP, while the animate dead summon for the same number of PM/wiz levels gives auger a zombie reaper which is almost double the HD, and somewhere around 5 times more HP.  I honestly rarely use "summon undead".  Animate dead and greater summon give far better creatures.
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by lordshigan on Tue Aug 19, 2014 6:44 am

I was afraid of that. Now I have ask myself if I should push for it to get fixed or re-level as a wizard. Sad How does these things get handled normally?
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by lordshigan on Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:25 am

Shouldn't the Pale Masters summons be the scariest in the game? lol
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by daveyeisley on Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:10 am

The demilich is the scariest in the game, imho.
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by lordshigan on Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:14 am

LOLs, now we have to get him back so I can scare some mobs. Wink
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by MannyJabrielle on Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:33 am

He's very scary especially when you buff him with epic spells.
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by lordshigan on Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:41 am

Well I guess I will have to dream of him lol.
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by MannyJabrielle on Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:17 am

Just to be clear, the demilich is from the "greater summon undead" ability not the summon undead ability.  AFAIK, the greater summon line works as it's supposed to in the lower levels.
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by lordshigan on Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:28 am

So basically as long as I suffer through the lower levels I should be fine lolz
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by daveyeisley on Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:48 am

Just tested, it seems the regular PM summon undead brings a ghoul until much later level than it should, eventually you get the wight up until 30th level where the wraith comes out.

Honestly, I know its not supposed to be the strongest class ability, but its hardly worth using currently. *shrug*

I did verify that with summon greater undead at 29th, PMs get the Alhoon, and at 30th, the lesser demilich. So that part seems to be working.

Its all the levels on the way there which might be off progression-wise.

Not so amusing side-note:

I tested the Lesser Demilich in a fight, and he tossed out a Weird spell. Guess what happened?

Yup, it killed me.
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by daveyeisley on Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:44 pm

Created a thread in bug forums... Here.
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by Ramana Jala on Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:47 pm


daveyeisley wrote:
I tested the Lesser Demilich in a fight, and he tossed out a Weird spell. Guess what happened? Yup, it killed me.

Please, pretty please, The Amethyst Dragon, fix Weird to be party-safe?  It so suxs to not to be able to use it other than when solo.
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by lordshigan on Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:29 pm

And/or stop your summons from killing you lolz
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Re: Is Pale Master Summon broken?

Post by lordshigan on Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:19 pm

That Mr. Bean scares me lol
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