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Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:24 pm

Edit Jan. 18: Putting the system live today and working on spreading it outward from Valorian's Vale. For much of it to be visible to you in-game, you'll need the aeneahak_updates.hak file I just uploaded (it's about a 12 mb download).

I'm working on a little something for Aenea that will kind of bring the in-game seasons into view more than just falling snow and cold streams. I've scripted a simple system that spawns in various non-interactive placeables at different times, then despawns them five minutes after PCs leave the area.

Right now, I'm working on:
fireflies (appearing only during summer nights)
low piles of leaves (appearing only during autumn) - will appear to y'all after another hak update
scattered dustings of snow (appearing only during winter) - after a hak update
wildflowers (appearing only during spring)

Can any of you suggest other little things along the same veins that might be good for automated seasonal appearances? I'm trying to figure out what all to include so I only have to edit each area once to install the system (instead of multiple passes through every outdoor area...again).

I thought about covering the streams and rivers with flat planes of ice, but it makes things like waterfalls and waterwheels look very out of place.  Sad

I'm not putting in so many that they cover an area, but just enough to give a hint as to the seasons.

And no, I'm not overlaying large placeables over trees and such. It's possible (I've done a proof of concept), but would look weird since such placeables would vanish from sight as soon as your PC is 40 meters from the placeables (it's a game engine thing). Also, I'd have to modify a ton of tileset models to accommodate something like that...probably almost as big of a project as Reforged was.  Rolling Eyes

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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by daveyeisley on Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:25 pm

Winter: Sound of chilly winds, grey skies, people bundled up, lots of tracks from foot traffic in snow

Autumn: sound of rustling of leaves, bare trees, people raking, kids playing in big piles of leaves, people kind of bundled up.

Summer: more people outdoors (beaches/parks), beachballs, kids and adults playing/sports, folks wearing less clothes, lots more people travelling

Spring: birds singing, small animal activity
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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:58 am

daveyeisley wrote:Winter: ...people bundled up...
For several actual years now, commoners have spawned in with cloaks during winter.  Very Happy  Not fully bundled up, but wearing at least as much as PCs do to stay warm.  Cool

This is going to be a lot of area editing. I've only been doing close areas for testing (mainly the Northwest Road). It's mainly dropping a lot of waypoints around the area, which the area enter script sees and then spawns in placeables at those locations. The script that cleans up remains and dropped junk after PCs leave an area is responsible for getting rid of the placeables.

I've had to make two new models so far, since even the CEP and Project Q don't have everything I need to make this stuff look exactly like I want it to.

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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:48 am


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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by Eric of Atrophy on Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:12 pm

Is that a light smattering of snow? Looking good, The Amethyst Dragon!

I'm doing some thinking about the question as well ... but between you and daveyeisley, you covered everything that I initially thought of ...
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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:45 pm

Eric of Atrophy wrote:Is that a light smattering of snow?  Looking good, The Amethyst Dragon!

I'm doing some thinking about the question as well ... but between you and daveyeisley, you covered everything that I initially thought of ...
Yup, just a dusting of snow. Too much and it really shows off the limitations of the game engine (making the grass really stand out as little 2-D clumps) and shows just how little ground is actually being covered by the snow (because it would take many dozens of spots to cover all the ground, and that's just a lot for the game engine to handle).

Plus, with just a dusting, it's not so blatantly obvious when they fade in and out of view when you cross that stupid 40-meter placeable visibility boundary.

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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by Eric of Atrophy on Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:38 pm

snow for the winter, mud for the spring, leaves for the fall, dunno about summer ...
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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:24 am

Spring wildflowers.


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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Mon Jan 15, 2018 1:39 am

So far the Vale and the areas immediately outside of the village have the new system set up. Still trying to come up with a few more things to include so that there's more stuff that changes a little each season.

I am adding pumpkin patches to the system, so they'll only be available to harvest (via harvesting tool) during Autumn (because I like the idea of seasonal harvesting of different things). Plus, piles of pumpkins are something very visible. Smile

I may just have to make a model for a tomato plant to spawn during summer in-game, because growing those in the summer is half the reason I have a vegetable garden at my house (so I can eat them fresh off the plants).

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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:59 pm

Summer Fireflies in Valorian's Vale



I'm really wracking my brain now to try to come up with any other little things for this. That way, if I need to make any more models for a hak update, I can get them in before I spread this sort of stuff to everywhere in the game.

Ooo...based of Eric's post, maybe I can do water and/or mud puddles when it's raining. I know Tarot Redhand has made a lot of stuff like that, and I probably put it in the CEP.

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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:35 pm

Nope. Turns out I didn't put those puddles in. They might end up in the next version of the CEP though.

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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by daveyeisley on Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:17 pm

Blowing leaves in autumn? Festivals and cookouts in summer....
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Post by RustyDios on Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:04 pm

Summer BBQ with more people gathered around the open firepit at night.... more "natural wildlife" in the fields
Fairy lights/festive stuff in the winter months... change the animal life around (more winter creatures, summer species head into hibernation)
Big piles of leaves in the fall... Change up the trees to leaveless models...
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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:47 pm

I'm in the midst of making blueprints for 20 muddy puddles and 20 watery ones that I made for this (and uploaded to the Vault if anyone wants to see before the impending hak update). I also busted out brand new models today for tomato plants, squash, cherry trees, apple trees, and mushrooms today, all for this thing.

Yes, some food gathering will end up being seasonal...but better looking. Smile

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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:11 pm

Putting the system live today and working on spreading it outward from Valorian's Vale. For much of it to be visible to you in-game, you'll need the aeneahak_updates.hak file I just uploaded (it's about a 12 mb download).

As of writing this, I've got the models, blueprints, and scripting set up for:
fireflies (appearing only during summer nights)
low piles of leaves (appearing only during autumn)
scattered dustings of snow (appearing only during winter)
wildflowers (appearing only during spring)
butterflies (appearing only during spring and summer days)
small mushrooms (appearing spring/summer/autumn, some harvestable)
tomato plants (appearing during summer, harvestable)
onion plants (appearing summer/autumn, harvestable)
apple trees (appearing all seasons, harvestable version during autumn)
cherry trees (appearing all seasons, harvestable version during summer)
grapevines (appearing all seasons, harvestable version during summer)
pumpkin patches (appearing during autumn, harvestable)
cabbage plants (appearing during summer)
corn plants (appearing during summer/autumn, harvestable)
squash plants (appearing during summer, harvestable)
mud puddles (appearing during rainy weather)
water puddles (appearing during rainy weather)

I may add more to this later, but I think I'm satisfied with the options for now. Now I just have to go through areas and add lots and lots of waypoints so this stuff appears properly.

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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by daveyeisley on Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:47 pm

Nice Smile 

Any chance as you go through that you might slightly adjust encounter rates to make spawns more likely? I recall numerous folks commenting about long treks with no activity/spawns making things feel empty....
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Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:35 pm

I can adjust some spawn rates. Don't have to do that when editing areas, as that's a scripted encounter table thing.

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Post by daveyeisley on Thu Jan 18, 2018 5:26 pm

Ah, that makes sense, cool. Hopefully it will go quick once you get a system worked out Smile
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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:53 pm

New mushrooms made for this system:


And new tomato plants:


And mud puddles on the road in the rain:


And brand new watery puddles when it rains:

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Post by The Amethyst Dragon on Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:00 pm

Also, as of now, I've added the waypoints and variables for this to almost all outdoor (and a few underground) areas.

Between the new waypoints I created, a few new placeable blueprints, and just adding those waypoints all over the game added 4 mb to the module file size.  Shocked

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Re: Jan. 18, 2018: Environmental Flavor (moved, renamed topic)

Post by daveyeisley on Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:32 pm

Nice job! 4mb ain't much Smile
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