Divine Might, Divine Shield, and Divine Wrath

Having just experienced the frustration of the 'item-use lag' that is attached to these feats, I would like to ask if they can be changed to 'Instant' feats like the 'Charge' feat is.

If I am not mistaken, they are supposed to be 'free' actions to activate, and not Standard or full-round actions... though I cant find them in the SRD, so I can't verify that.

Regardless, the delay after activation is rather problematic. The durations will never last for an entire boss fight, and when they go down, losing several rounds to reactivation means those durations are shortened even further, not to mention the likelihood of being smacked down before you can recast them.

Simply put, player skill has no benefit because of the delays. Even if one were to click that button as soon as one of the effects drops, the PC will not have it reactivated fast enough for the player's attentiveness and quick reaction to matter, as the PC now stands there casting and not attacking. If a player is playing well, there should be a reward on their PCs performance in combat. Removing the delays will reward attentive and skillful play.

daveyeisley wrote:If I am not mistaken, they are supposed to be 'free' actions to activate, and not Standard or full-round actions... though I cant find them in the SRD, so I can't verify that.

A quick search gave me Divine Shield (Standard Action) and Divine Might (Free Action). I couldn't find Divine Wrath specifically, but it's very similar in power to the ability Corellon's Wrath Champions' of Corellon Larethian gets at level 8 - which is a free action.

Hope the verifications helped ^^

Angel of Death wrote:

daveyeisley wrote:If I am not mistaken, they are supposed to be 'free' actions to activate, and not Standard or full-round actions... though I cant find them in the SRD, so I can't verify that.

A quick search gave me Divine Shield (Standard Action) and Divine Might (Free Action). I couldn't find Divine Wrath specifically, but it's very similar in power to the ability Corellon's Wrath Champions' of Corellon Larethian gets at level 8 - which is a free action.

Hope the verifications helped ^^

Actually, I had seen that site, but the two links you found (same ones I found - for Divine Might and Divine Shield) are for 3.5 edition from the Complete Warrior book.

What I had missed was the links on each of those pages that said "Also appears in: Defenders of the Faith" which *is* a 3.0 edition book.

Here they are:

Divine Shield (unspecified action - probably meant Free Action)

Divine Might (unspecified action - probably meant Free Action)

Im still hunting for the 3.0 PnP equivalent of Champion of Dalix (Torm), or at least the ability Divine Wrath, and it looks like it might be part of the Divine Champion from the Faerun book. Still investigating...

Here we are - 3.0 edition, Player's Guide to Faerun, page 51 under the Divine Champion PrC - action type is unspecified again (probably free):

Divine champion (champion of torm/champion of dalix) is out of one of the FR sourcebooks.  I don't have those any longer, but I do recall that the PnP divine champion is somewhat different from the NWN rendition (in PnP it's only a 5 level PrC for example).

MannyJabrielle wrote:Divine champion (champion of torm/champion of dalix) is out of one of the FR sourcebooks.  I don't have those any longer, but I do recall that the PnP divine champion is somewhat different from the NWN rendition (in PnP it's only a 5 level PrC for example).

Now that you mention it, I do callre that, yeah. The people behind NWN took certain liberties when they created the CoT PrC. Here's the PNP version of Divine Champion

Yup. All this thread is concerned with is the action type though, and I think free action/instant feats make the most sense so the PC isnt losing multiple rounds of combat and duration from each one just trying to turn them on.