Re: Epic Magic Bugs (merged threads)

[The Amethyst Dragon]

I've uploaded a new aeneahak_updates.hak file that contains the models for the newer research method, a redone inventory icon for the epic focus item (blue flame is gone, replaced by miniature version of the Epic Magic feat icon tucked into a corner so you can see the spell slot icon behind it clearly), and some unrelated stuff. You can play without the updated hak, but won't be able to research new epic spells if you choose to do so.

I've also restarted the module with the new files on the server, so I can go in and test it out to make sure things are appearing, vanishing, and getting set properly.

[The Amethyst Dragon]

Bah. Encountered an issue with the new placeables. Probably due to there being so many of the things in one area. Going to test out another avenue tonight/tomorrow.

[titus]

just wondering if this is supposed to be working now? if so, it's bugged. i tried researching a 1-component spell [i.e., just the seed, no adjustments], and when i went to review the spell, it showed a completely different seed, cost, etc. i started over. going back through again, i chose the same seed, i reviewed, finalized -- and it sent me back to the beginning. from this point on, it was impossible to restart research ; no amt of ';;em new' cmds did anything at all.

otoh, i really like the layout -- very 'tech', and the sparsity is appealing. much lower chance of clicking the wrong object.

[titus]

i went by the library again today, and i don't know if worked on this in the last few days or if the gods of nwn technology smiled on me, but i managed to get much farther this time than last time. i was able to continue research up to the point where you're given the option of mitigating the cost by using bom or burning hp. for some reason, you aren't able to choose 'no'... [maybe a plot by the gem traders' union to cause the price of bom to raise.] the same is true of the hp mitigation. if you choose to mitigate on either of these, you can continue research ; if not, you're blocked, because the 'none' tab doesn't register the mouse click.

[The Amethyst Dragon]

Thanks. I was just going to login and test out researching. I'll work on fixing this issue first.

[daveyeisley]

Please tell me this is not the intended appearance for the epic research options?

Its not usable in this form....

Clicking the "show available seeds" does nothing, so I cant even filter all the options down....

[daveyeisley]

OK, did another file update, and the options arent layered and smooshed anymore.... but still not legible.... there must be some way to make it bigger.

[daveyeisley]

Got all the way to "set" option for the epic spell description, and it would not register the mouse click.

Still need a bigger graphic, too.

[daveyeisley]

The dispel seed - "Remove effects and 100% spell failure" is doing nothing at all.

I took the options single target, +20 DC, not silent, no caster level boost, double duration, no target restrictions, burn BoM, no HP burn, and no XP burn.

I cast it on a balor shaman who had a spell mantle up. He failed the save, mantle stayed up, and when breached it with a mord's, he immediately recast it. So there is no dispel and no spell failure being applied.

When the spell went off, there was also no visual effect on the target.

[Eltarin]

Lelts go here i type bugs i found my character (his name Ghazalid - reicarnated dwarf) For another peapole English is my 2 language... sorry for any bugs :p
commands not working:
;;em gold x - i type for example ;;em gold 1000000
;;em gold - shows corect amount of celestial gold for my 0
Gift of Travel and Gift of Time commads as in descryption for feat reicarnated -
;;tool teleport
;;tool timestop

In Dawnholm Libary when i select any seed i try all of them,
after select area of effect,silent casting,spell resistance caster level,save dc,limit targets,duration,burn xp,burn blood of magic,burn health,after set spell name is set descryption after command ;;em desc 1 Dark Portal and here enter is working but in research table button set is doing nothing? Maby bug maby not i don't know,im not sure what should by after that?

Thats all for now...

[RustyDios]

What level and what class are you ?

[Eltarin]

Level 40 30 Wizard / 10 Farstep Master

[daveyeisley]

Yes, the description setting buttin is not working currently. I had the same issue.

If you leave the description blank and simply finalize the spell it *may* still work.

Be aware that the epic magic system is still in beta stages and has plans to overhaul it eventually. In the meantime, proper functionality is not guaranteed. It has a number of bugs.

[Eltarin]

I now i cant create epic spells now sou im just wainting for upgrade,in mean time i just collect gold end experince for creating epic spells...

[A_Vagabond]

I really like the system, now, working almost perfectly with my new PC.

However, Improved Invis, permanent duration, is really that. Permanent. Stayed in the Beholders. Stayed after sleeping. Stayed after renewal potion. Which is very nice and what I consider when I think of permanent, but the invisibility stayed as well as the concealment, so no matter what I did and who I attacked, unless they had true seeing or were lucky they didn't attack back.

On the other hand, just making a Concealment seed with double duration didn't last anywhere near the advertised duration.

I almost hate to report when things are working *too* well, but you know, gotta squash the bugs

...unless, of course, this is working as intended, in which case... it's working!

[Ramana Jala]

Wowie, that kind of Improved Invisibility would work to give my shadow-plane-stuck shadow-child mage the full Etherealness that I want for her! Yeah, maybe we shouldn't fix that...

[A_Vagabond]

Report: Wisdom buff seems broken. I made one, turns out it buffs Charisma instead. So, I made a CHR buff, and guess what? It buffs Charisma, also.

So, I'll need to gather another 1M gold and 41K XP, and then I'll try an Int buff. I do have a str buff, and that one works fine, so I'm not sure where the issue is.

update: Int seems to work fine, too. So, I can't get my casting stat boosted, but everything else so far works. Poop.

[The Amethyst Dragon]

Thanks for reporting.

[A_Vagabond]

Let me know if you find a bug. I'm just masochistic enough to try again.

Update: it seems to work now, after I re-researched the spell. The little bonus icon doesn't show, but that's true for several other stat boosts as well. I'll need to wait for reset to ensure that the new spell works, but so far, so good.

On an aside, the Conceal seed doesn't seem to actually confer concealment. The icon is there, and the status shows as concealment, but I have yet to see a **Miss chance 50%** message in the combat log.

[A_Vagabond]

Noted: Epic Divine casters (at least my Druid) Do not have access to the Afflict Seed, even though it isn't listed as Arcane Only on the website.

I don't know if this was an intentional change or not, so I'm posting it as a possible bug.

[A_Vagabond]

One more thing to check, whilst I could be wrong on this, it seemed that casting Epic Warding removed at least two of my armoring spells. That may have been a coincidence, I'm just reporting it as a possibility.

[daveyeisley]

One more thing to check, whilst I could be wrong on this, it seemed that casting Epic Warding removed at least two of my armoring spells. That may have been a coincidence, I'm just reporting it as a possibility.

Manny reported something similar if not identical, yes.

[A_Vagabond]

Here's a fun one. So, I've been looking at the transform seed, and it works as described, in that creatures in the area of effect are transformed. I've tried two so far, wolf and tree, and my observations are as follows:

Wolf: They become a wolf, they act like a wolf (sort of) insofar as they become non-hostile to druids (mostly), and can be Animal Empathy'd (sometimes) although that effect sometimes wears off immediately, sometimes lasts for a little while (a lot less than expected). It is funny to transform a Balor Hunter and then command him to attack the others. Transformed undead lose their immunity to death magic (as would be expected). However, transformed creatures still retain a lot of their powers (spellcasting, beholder eyebeams, etc.). As described, there doesn't appear to be any kind of SR or save, but again, since they retain their HP and attacks/powers, there is little difference between poly's and non-poly'd enemies, outside of the Druid perks, above.

Tree: So then I thought, hey, why not make a tree transform? It'd be like Arbor Day/Johnny Appleseed, and that's good for a tree-hugging Druid, right? So I went and researched the new spell, cast it, and... the banditos turned into trees, and continued to "run around" the area, attacking me. They were like poorly modeled treants. The only effect seemed to be that I couldn't tell when they were being damaged until they died and disappeared. I was expecting some kind of cutscene immobilization effect at a minimum, but it seems that the only effect applied is a polymorph effect.

I would assume that sharks won't suffocate aboveground, for the same reason?

Not sure how many others have played with this particular seed, so I thought I'd share

[daveyeisley]

LOL, awesomesauce

I havent tinkered with transform, myself, but as you stated, if the effect is little more than an appearance/creature type change, probably isn't worth it.

[evilkittenofdoom]

I haven't scoured this entire thread, but sonce my return, I've noticed several things working that were not before I left.

The Slay : Kill 1 Creature (1300 HPs) has no DC listed and has no save allowed to the enemy. It functions as per Power Word : Kill. If this is as intended, then removing the +X DC bonuses would be cool.

Kill and Animate Creature - it works wonderfully, except the animated creature is a renamed, reskinned Skeleton with 5-10 HPs and the other stats to match. I was under the impression that it was supposed to raise the actual creature you kill. If that's not how it's supposed to work, a slightly improved summon might be in order for your raised creature.

I have since also found that the Conjure : 2500 Gold effect is not functioning as far as I can tell. It does not appear in my Inventory, my Bank Storage or my Ethereal Gold stock.

(and while I'm at it) The Conjure : Ethereal Rift does not appear to function any longer either. I know this did at one time, but so far targeting myself or the ground I have gotten no effect. The effect should still be to enable to use of your Ethereal Chest where you create the point, am I right?

[Angel of Death]

However, Improved Invis, permanent duration, is really that. Permanent. Stayed in the Beholders. Stayed after sleeping. Stayed after renewal potion. Which is very nice and what I consider when I think of permanent, but the invisibility stayed as well as the concealment, so no matter what I did and who I attacked, unless they had true seeing or were lucky they didn't attack back.

Created a 'semi'-permanent Improved Invisibility too. (Mostly since it fit very well to the character in question--and I could not see any other Illusion type spells than invis and displacement)

Did a bit of testing of my new magical spell after creating it, and found that enemies react to me when I attack, (but only the one being attacked at the time, others nearby remain docile or buffs themselves up Edit: Just found that other hostile creatures can - and will - attack if they are within whisper range, but only while I attack/make my presence known).
Creatures (such as Elder Beholders) with permanent True Sight, do react to me like normal (as it should be ). I give, it is a very powerful spell , but not an impenetrable defense.


Upon creating the epic spell however, I found that the set description button appeared 'stuck', as in, it didn't accept the description I had typed in using the ;;em desc command so I ended up with a blank description for now.

Everything other stage in the creation worked fine. =)

Spoiler:

Edit: Discovered new bug: Selected Burn Blood of Magic when casting the spell, it does however not remove one from inventory.

Suggestion:
I think there should be a button so you can go back during the stages, without having to cancel the whole process and start over. Would make it easier to look at all the seeds, at least. Just my opinion though.


Yet Another Edit! (Put under suggestion, since well, it's just that; a suggestion!)
I thought about this. Maybe, if possible, implement the 'permanent' Invisibility - Improved and Regular - that it's permanent (or almost, lasting until server reset as now), but once you attack an enemy/hostile foe the invisibility goes away (leaving the 50% concealment). Once you're done attacking, then after 30-60 seconds, the invisibility part returns.

It's likely a much more complex system, with a bunch of checks in place, but I think it could work (and would be less game-breaking then). Just a thought, though!

[evilkittenofdoom]

The Open Portal to the Dark Realm effect doesn't do anything as far as I can tell. I targeted the console, I targeted the ground near the rings and near the portal and I targeted myself at both of those spots and nothing.

Using the Teleport Unwilling Target seed will not affect the caster, even on a failed save. If that's intentional (since, if you're targeting yourself with teleportation magic, by default you are willing) then please disregard this one.

Was walking through into the portal with a Tenser's Floating Disc behond me, and it was given a free Philospher's Stone... who knew that Tenser's Floating Disc was a capable mage?

EDIT : I made two different spells using the Destroy Seed. I am fairly certain that they are both on the 35d6 damage, but not 100% sure. One is single target, +20 DC, Silent casting. It works wonders and detonates pretty much anything I hit with it. (As per the 9999 damage change) The other is an AoE version, silent cast. It does the base damage (~75) regardless of whether or not my targets make their save. { Seeing the mass Greater Ruin visual effect, however, is extremely satisfying }

[Angel of Death]

Using the Teleport Unwilling Target seed will not affect the caster, even on a failed save. If that's intentional (since, if you're targeting yourself with teleportation magic, by default you are willing) then please disregard this one.

Okay, so finally got enough XP to test out a new epic magic spell; went into the chamber and through the steps to create a new spell as explained in the magic tome placeable...

Epic Spell Data:

Spoiler:

Selected the Seed: Transportation, and "Teleport Unwilling Target" then went through the other steps and finalized the spell, which all went fine (except, couldn't set a description), and I then went to test out the spell on a target.

Here it was borked however. I did remember to select the new spell via the ;;em 1 command. Yet every time I tried to cast the spell all it did was spewing out a "!" in the chat box.

Don't think I did anything wrong...I imagined it worked like teleport spell, so remembered to select a location I had memorized prior to testing the epic spell too.





Ignore this post. I'm an idiot and forgot to select the spell properly ... (;;em slot1 x ...etc) before using the epic magic widget. -_-;:

[evilkittenofdoom]

Upon coming out of the Great Hall, I was given 8 uses of the Epic Magic feat, rather than the 4 I was eligible for at the time as a level 22 Cleric.

EDIT : AoE Buffing Epic Spells are also affecting placables in the area of effect. Unsure if that's intended or not.

EDIT 2 : The +50% Temporary Hit Points (Fortify Seed) is being removed by the Circle of Great Healing and Heal spells as well as the Asis Full heal potions.

EDIT 3 : The Divine Gift of Life [Deferred Self Rez (Fortify Seed)] is not returning you to life, claiming that there is no body. This was seen after dying to beholders. You are, however, refunded the XP.

[daveyeisley]

If the beholder killed you with a disintegrate ray, then it is working as intended. Disintegrate does not leave a body behind to be raised from the dead or resurrected.

[evilkittenofdoom]

I'd agree with you that it makes sense, except a party member I was with shortly thereafter was able to rez me and vice versa.

[RustyDios]

If the beholder killed you with a disintegrate ray, then it is working as intended. Disintegrate does not leave a body behind to be raised from the dead or resurrected.

True.. it does however leave a bitter taste and a pile of ash.... similar to falling into lava....
((Four (4) real life years later and "Jay" still holds a grudge against "Alastair" and "Crideas" for that ) ....

[daveyeisley]

I'd agree with you that it makes sense, except a party member I was with shortly thereafter was able to rez me and vice versa.

The successive occurrences were likely not to disintegration, then.

[evilkittenofdoom]

I used the token on that occurance as well (out of reflex) and got that message, THEN got rezzed by an ally. Furthermore, in both cases I took the 9999 damage that is typical of the disintegration ray.

Also : While you may or may not have seen this , I was using the +50% Temporary Hit Points (Fortify Seed) in an AoE, it was not hitting everyone that was indeed in the AoE. [Targets that were unaffected were closer to the center than some that were affected in some cases]

[Angel of Death]

Just tried it. This vc command does not work. It was listed when I typed in the ;;help command, has it been changed and not updated or just plainly not work because of script issue? =)

[MannyJabrielle]

True.. it does however leave a bitter taste and a pile of ash.... similar to falling into lava....
((Four (4) real life years later and "Jay" still holds a grudge against "Alastair" and "Crideas" for that ) ....

You act as if we pushed you or something

[MannyJabrielle]

Read that the casts per day for epic spells was supposed to be fixed....

I don't know about anyone else, but some of my epic casters now have the right number of casts, but others don't. My pure class cleric now has the right number of casts, and my multi-classed cleric/sorc/druid epic casters have the right number of casts too.

However all my multiclassed epic casting wizards have fubar numbers.

Agamemnon has 4 (should have 7) He's a wiz 32, animator 7, rogue 1, 43 base spellcraft
Angelica has 4 (should have 6) She's a wiz 26, rogue 13, Shadowdancer 1, 43 base spellcraft
Azura has 4 (should have 6) She's a wizard 29, farstep master 10, 41 base spellcraft

Auger's the odd one... He has 7 casts of epic magic per day, but shouldn't. He's a wizard 10/palemaster 30 with 43 base spellcraft. Not that I'm complaining about the extra casts on him (PMs get shafted when it comes to epic casts ) His casts per day by the book should be 5 (1 from PM levels, 4 from base spellcraft).

Wizard levels in multiclassed builds are the only link here.

I *think* that the problem is they're NOT getting their casts from their wizard levels. Azura's casts per day were 3 prior to getting the base 41 spellcraft yesterday.

Why Auger's is then all screwy in the opposite way, I don't know... It seems that with him, it's counting the base spellcraft (4 casts) and adding the PM levels at full value instead of half value.... IMO that's a good way to go anyhow.... a 30 PM still can't get as many casts per day as he would if he had gone straight wizard/sorc, but it's more than the single cast from class levels PMs are supposed to get under the half-value rule.

[daveyeisley]

I'd rather see the PM formula become:

(PM level - 10)/10

So they max at 2 epic casts if ya to full bore PM. They get beefy bonuses in the first 10 levels, and the high end summons definitely don't suck... I understand maxing at 1 epic cast might be a bummer... But I think being able to get 3 is too many.

[MannyJabrielle]

That's very true about the pre-epic bonuses and the high end epic level summons. There's significant drawbacks too though. Primary drawback is caster level. Auger's demilich has far higher caster level, but the downside is he can't control when or what the demilich casts at who. That's a sidepoint though.

Yeah... even 2 casts would be better than 1.

I think that 3 is acceptable though. Even with that, a fully devoted PM still has less epic casts than a fully devoted cleric/wiz/sorc/druid.

30 levels in any other epic casting class would still net 3 casts, plus leave those 10 remaining character levels for multiclassing...

Including multiclassing in 10 PM levels, for those same early PM beefy bonuses in the case of wizards and sorcerers

So... comparing a 10wiz/30 PM vs a 30 wiz/10 PM.... what're the primary differences? Both have beefy bonus, but one gets a better epic summon, while the other gets more epic casts and better caster levels for their 0-9th level spells.

I agree the lesser demilich does not suck at all, but especially in comparing the PM heavy vs Wiz heavy wizard/pm multiclass builds... there's no reason then to go full bore PM. Go only 10 PM for the beefy bonuses, and still get more epic casts and more caster levels. You don't get the lesser demilich, but the trade off is you get the bulk of the PM benefits and still get the epic castings and caster levels.

Overall, I just think that the 33 character levels a PM devotes should net the same benefit as the 30 character levels wizards/druids/clerics/sorcs invest.

[Micteu]

However all my multiclassed epic casting wizards have fubar numbers.

Agamemnon has 4 (should have 7) He's a wiz 32, animator 7, rogue 1, 43 base spellcraft
Angelica has 4 (should have 6) She's a wiz 26, rogue 13, Shadowdancer 1, 43 base spellcraft
Azura has 4 (should have 6) She's a wizard 29, farstep master 10, 41 base spellcraft

Auger's the odd one... He has 7 casts of epic magic per day, but shouldn't. He's a wizard 10/palemaster 30 with 43 base spellcraft.

That's odd. My wizard 32/rogue 8 with 43 Spellcraft has the correct amount of casts per day at 7.

[MannyJabrielle]

Yeah, it is odd.

I could chalk it up to some quirk of my not logging into game for a veeeeery long time, so whatever fix was done got applied to my characters' files in an odd manner or something.... BUT, the non-wizard epic casters have the right numbers now.... so it's just the wizards who are screwy.

[MannyJabrielle]

Noticed something odd...

Angelica died, and I used a GoZ to come back to life. I didn't notice if it was right after she died or after the GoZ, but upon coming back, she had 8 casts of epic magic (She has 4 upon logging in after a reset, and should have 6)

I played around with the castings, and the casts are functional, she can cast 8 epic spells in a row. The only quirk is on the very first cast, she gets the "No more uses for this feat" message, however the exact wording is, although the spell DOES fire off despite the messaging. It doesn't pop again when using the 7th, 6th, on down towards last casting of epic magic.

[Angel of Death]

Noticed this bug while trying to create an epic version of the gate spell to summon a celestial being (CR 40) ...

The research worked perfectly fine, both xp and gold was taken for it...but when I tries to summon the celestial being nothing happens except for a spellcraft roll vs DC 0 and a spoken "!" in the chat.

Took a screenshot of the review costs/steps:



Edit as of tonight 25/03 -- So, went to use up my last relevel scale to see if the Farstep Master's requirements had been fixed ...(sadly no)...but some good news came out of it anyway; after having leveled back up to 40, I discovered that this epic summoning spell works!

Bad parts about is...
1) The celestial peacebringer is naked
2) It doesn't look like a CR 40 celestial ...but I could be wrong I guess (a bit unsure how the CR is calculated) - It's level 15 (5 Outsider/10 Paladin), with some extra planar abilities and a pretty spiffy greatsword...not sure why it got the Two-Weapon Fighting and Brew Potions feats though. Would make more sense if it had WF: Greatsword ...or something similar.

[Angel of Death]

You know the place. To avoid spoilers:

Spoiler:

The 'Set' button for the epic spell description feature, does not work. It doesn't save the description after it's typed in...you can research the spell perfectly fine, you just can't make a description for it.


On that note, I don't see the 'Afflict' seed button on the panel...and as far as I know, it's not restricted to a certain class.

[evilkittenofdoom]

So I've been toying with my old epic spells and noticed some recent changes since I was last about.

Conjure Ethereal Rift seems to be working just fine, though it does not create the swirly mark on the ground like it did when it was first released. I kinda liked it as an indicator that it is working correctly.

Manifest Dark Portal didn't seem to do anything when I tried it this time, but I also seem to have lost my Wanderer's Amulet somehow. I will try it on an active portal once I get a new one or on another character.

The new BoMs are really awesome, but since the change in appearance, they do not stack properly, even with themselves, when created via the Epic. They are also spawning unidentified, which I think is likely the culprit here. Mildly annoying, but perhaps the ones that are created that way could be tagged as Identified? That should clear up the issue.

My mass disintegration is still not insta-killing targets that fail their save, resulting in only 20d6 damage. The visual is just as satisfying, however.

The Hellball prefabricated epic seems to be a dud as well.

[Ramana Jala]

EKoD, I've just recently got into the Epic Magic, and as a newbie I don't really understand what all the seeds are about.

Could you tell me what Conjure Ethereal Rift actually does?  Does it give a portal for my character, or does it manifest something like a Black Blade or Earthquake against enemies?

[evilkittenofdoom]

It creates a spot where you can then call your Ethereal Chest. A handy little thing to be able to call around at a moment's notice.

[Ramana Jala]

Ah! Thanks!

[daveyeisley]

Bumping for the benefit of new epic spellcasters

[Blackhand293]

Just want to be clear, the epic dispel seeds are still not working, I found out the hard way that it was a really expensive way to see your opponents modified will save. 

Not sure which others have been fixed as yet.

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