Build an Aenean Epic Magic System

evilkittenofdoom wrote:I'd say that that's a tad low.... but perhaps not. That would mean that level 35+ casters can still cast epic magic right through without failure

Also, can a 20 not be auto success and a 1 not be autofailure for casting epic spells? That way we don't always have either a 5% chance of success or in reverse, a 5% chance of failure.

The Amethyst Dragon wrote:Nice thoughts on the anti-magic and spell school mechanics! This is one of the reasons I love having an active community here.

school: Divination sounds like it would work, I'll just change it in the spells.2da

anti-magic: I really like the Concentration check idea, perhaps with a DC of 1/4 the spell failure rate plus 1d20 (so a DC of 26-45 if stuck with a 100% spell failure rate).

Kefrem wrote:One idea that ive had...is that i really like that freebie spell all casters get..the little energy blast(cant remember the name) that you can just keep using over and over.

Id like to see higher versions of this...to simulate the wizards capability to cast more powerful versions as he levels. They could be memorizable versions of it or something.

It would simulate in comics and in novels(elminster and mordenkainen come to mind) where they blast away with spells that dont seem to have any analogue in the pnp game. Maybe it could eat other spells the more they use it after the actual memorized versions of it were used up.

Just a fast thought i had.

The Amethyst Dragon wrote:Ok, so the research library and research coding part is taking a little bit longer than I expected (largely because it's data entry inside the toolset, often interrupted by family obligations).

So far, I've got the first "chamber" built, where epic casters can pick the desired effects of their epic magic just by touching a chosen statue. Now I have to construct the other chambers (one for each of the different types of modifications that can be made to the ~150 base epic spell effects), which should go a bit faster since there's only 51 possible modifications, from specific targets to duration to costs to cast.

Anybody doing the math yet to figure out how many different "epic spells" that could be made? Oh, nevermind. You won't be able to figure it out until you see the possibilities, since some of the modifications can be overlapped.

Oh, and three of the statues will basically do the entire "fill in the options" for you, so you can cast hellball, dragon knight, or epic warding (effects that didn't really fit easily (code-wise) into the more broad seed effects).

I'm also working on documentation for the website for all of this so ya'll can work out what you want with effects and costs and such before heading into that library. The research costs themselves will be expensive, so you'll want to plan ahead.

daveyeisley wrote:Will Greater Ruin and Mage Armor still be workable effects?

The Amethyst Dragon wrote:crideas' mage pants

Maeglin Dubh wrote:I'm sure Derik will not disappoint when it comes to spell names.

Derik's Door Destroyer.
Entry Eradication Explosion.
Powerful Portal Pulverizer.

evilkittenofdoom wrote:As my 1000th post, I've another suggestion for the Epic Magic's Casting Sequence; the animation currently has you do the initial part of the 'pose' for the spell Tempest's Protective Gale.

Might I suggest changing the visual to the one that is used when you cast Greater Santuary instead? It seems more 'epic' than the other for some reason.

evilkittenofdoom wrote:One other thing that might have gotten overlooked somewhere (or I missed it entirely) - Will we be able to pick our own VFX for our epic spells?

Eric of Atrophy wrote:So, , what's the ETA on this system? And is it only for wizzies, or will sorcs be able to partake of this goodness?

daveyeisley wrote:Another few more mechanical questions come to mind:


3. How will NPCs work with using epic spells?

Eric of Atrophy wrote:So, , what's the ETA on this system? And is it only for wizzies, or will sorcs be able to partake of this goodness?

daveyeisley wrote:1.
Will epic 'buff' spells be dispellable like normal spells, with a DC of
11+caster level? (I think epic spells should get a +2 or +4 bonus to
the DC if they are going to be dispellable at all by mord's. The
exception to this would be Epic Dispelling, which should work normally,
or maybe even have a bonus on the check .)

2. Will epic buffs be
removed by anti-magic? (I think this should be no, or involve a check
where the epic caster would most likely have a significant advantage)

3. How will NPCs work with using epic spells?

evilkittenofdoom wrote:will the AI even use them?

Example 4: Wizard 21/Pale Master 19, 43 ranks in Spellcraft
primary casting class: wizard
casts/day: (Spellcraft Ranks / 10) + ("caster class level" / 10) + (("caster class level" / 2) / 10) = 7 casts/day
(40 / 10 = 4) + (21 / 10 = 2) + ((30 / 2) / 10 = 1) = 7

2. Yes. But, since there's only one type of creature in Aenea right now
with anti-magic, I don't see it as a huge threat to PCs (since those
epic characters probably have ways of dealing with beholders already).

Alundaio wrote:I think he is saying that All your epic caster levels are counted even if multi-classed. It's just that Palemaster is only counts half their levels. So if I was an epic level 21 wizard and a level 19 Palemaster I would be counted as a level 30 epic caster for purposes of the new epic magic system.

Edit: Unless you mean a non-epic caster with 19 Palemaster levels. I guess using that formula you wouldn't be able to cast epic magic...

Alundaio wrote:There is no ceiling math function in nwn scripts? I think a level 15 Palemaster should be able to cast at least once per day. Because what if you are a Bard/Palemaster? You won't be able to cast Epic Magic unless you have 20 Palemaster levels.

EDIT: Come to think of it, thats sort of similar to how Pale Masters gain slots to qualify for new spells, but do not actually learn them automatically.

Alundaio wrote:

EDIT: Come to think of it, thats sort of similar to how Pale Masters gain slots to qualify for new spells, but do not actually learn them automatically.

Which makes everything but Wizard a very poor choice to multi-class with Palemaster.

I really hope they get some sort of update. With the undead summon add-on a wizard with Create Undead and Animate Dead can cast it more times then a Palemaster and even have stronger summons making Wizards more effective necromancer than the prestige class. Other then taking Palemaster for the AC bonuses and abilities they are truly a useless class. I'll save that for another time in a suggestion thread.

evilkittenofdoom wrote:5, based on the above. [(24 lvls PM / 2) /10] ends up being 1.2, not 0.6.

Skywatcher wrote:Ok,as lyanna build is currently, she will get 10 I think, once I rework her with 3 exgtra feats t may go to 11. So what is the DC to research "summon Death Star to blow up moon.......Vesper, I meant Vesper!!" Looks virtuious. I would never blow up a moon just to destroy a moonbase!

Crideas begins research on two spells: Conjure Sunlight, and Detonate Thermal Exhaust Port.